About the Ground Zero-Forum and this latest idea:

What started first under shock and tried to be very pragmatic turned more and more into a big resource portal with background stories and own research about 911, Secret Service Involvement and Scepticism Reports plus covering the current political happenings and the War against Terrorism.

Our Topics are divided into 16 folders, e.g.: Attack/Disorder/War, Panic Attempts, Control Systems, Science, Netizens, Secret Service Intelligence or Conspiracy/Legends and included almost 1500 postings so far.

GZ also works together with international correspondents incl. China, Russia, France, Belgium, Canada, USA, Germany, Czech Republic etc. and runs an own chat room for Ground Zero.

Personally I’m experienced in the Internet since 1993 and supported a lot of different projects including Internet TV at PSEUDO TV.
I also worked for various TV stations in Europe.

In the meantime GZ is convinced that there is another truth behind what is told in the main media.
Our Forum includes also perspectives of new control systems.

I respect also the results of other sites like us and think they did a good job so far.

With the posting of this topic i started to contact all of them.

I would like to point out, that GZ doesn’t support polemic
anti-americanism, anti-arabism, anti-zionism or obscure spritistic ideas (like from Sollog or David Dicke).

Ground Zero also condemn terrorism which includes their helping hands in any kind.

But our job includes analysis of the US-Government, various secret services, institutions or some companies or credit institutes, which need not to be representative for American Citizens or the Democracy generally.

Ground Zero also isn’t concentrating on pure pacifistic ideas, but continues analyzing the length and quality of the War on Terrorism and the Bio Weapon Situation.

My non-political point is therefore the support of freedom of speech, investigative journalism and a step against manipulated or self-censored media.

With the latest events I’m worried about another step into a controlled society which isn’t a criticism against surveillance technology generally, but a manipulation of civil rights or opinions.

I’m not sure if the “new world order” has only good ideas.

But my idea for now is only to establish a “Scepticism Ring”, which first purpose is showing an independent internet society.
This idea should also express to the mainstream print media, that the movement is getting bigger and that they should stop to ignore us or various articles (especially from Europe, England, France or India).

I would like to point out that I respect all different political interests of similar projects but I think we have maybe the one or other sense in common.

The purpose of the "scepticiam Ring" is to show, that at least we all know that we exist and work with various reasons on our web projects.
It’s also to support these different projects again.

I would be very happy to release a neutral statement (email etc..) from them ASAP in my forum.

As I said, this has more the function of a community and a movement against (self-)manipulated or censored main TV and print media or censorship on the web.

I hope that some of the other investigative sites have even time to step by and sign in as a member and leave their comment personally or just log in as an anonymous guest to take a look around.

I would like to release their short email statements in case they don't have enough time to respond here including a current promotion topic with URL in this forum.

In any way I would be he happy about every reaction incl. criticism or suggestions.

Following a the list of all projects I have contacted so far.

http://www.arabnews.com/ (news from Arab-Americans, in English)
http://www.arena.org.nz/
http://www.artbell.com
http://www.aztlan.net/crying.htm
http://www.bilderberg.org
http://www.cafearabica.com/
http://www.copvcia.com/
http://www.corpwatch.org/
http://www.debka.com/
http://www.drudgereport.com
http://www.eff.org
http://www.emperors-clothes.com/
http://www.eyespymag.com
http://www.freespeech.org/fsitv/ramfiles/dnhowardzinn.ram
http://www.hardtruth.topcities.com/wake_up_america.html
http://www.indymedia.org/
http://www.intelligenceonline.com/p_index.asp
http://www.ire.org/ (National Journalism Organizations )
http://www.joelskousen.com/
http://www.masternewmedia.com/archive/mastermind11.htm
http://www.proparanoid.com
http://www.public-action.com/SkyWriter/WacoMuseum/
http://www.rense.com/general14/americansdemand.htm
http://www.saag.org/papers4/paper323.html
http://serendipity.magnet.ch
http://www.skolnicksreport.com
http://www.spiescafe.com
http://www.sweetliberty.org/index.html
http://www.telepolis.de
http://www.tenc.net/
http://www.theeunderground.com
http://www.ual.com/Response/PressReleases/0,11641,-1__1812_1,00.html
http://www.warnews.it/ (for news about other ongoing conflicts
http://www.whatareweswallowing.com
http://www.whatreallyhappened.com
http://www.wsws.org/articles/2001/nov2001/afgh-n20.shtml

Planned (or also already contacted) contacts:

Zbigniew Brezinski
Jean-Charles Brisard and Guillaume Dasquie (Bin Laden - la verite interdite/ Bin Laden-The forbidden truth)

Mathias Broeckers/Telepolis
Michel Chossudovsky
Noam Chomsky
Bernard Goldberg (Ex-CBS, “CBS INSIDER EXPOSES HOW THE MEDIA DISTORT THE NEWS”)
Daniel Hopsicker (Barry & the boys:The CIA, the Mob and America's Secret History)

Richard Labeviere (Terror Dollars/ Bin Laden in Dubai-July 2001 Story)
Ralph Schoenman
Jan van Aken (Bio Expert)
Howard Zinn(Corruption of Democracy and the War on Afghanistan)
etc..

We need to be able to nurture a new culture of reliable personal human information agents and sources that we can select and trust.

We must grow out of our habit of creating reality out of the first page of the New York Times or by the headlines on CNN.

We must start seeking truth and alternative recounts of what is true, better or right very rapidly. The media and the general information system are very sick and frequently unreliable.

To survive in the world of today and tomorrow we need courageous man like you who can pull together the brave and help more and different messages and human sources speak for themselves.

Thank you for this initiative.
Feel free to contact me as a volunteer for any support I could provide to it.

You will also have my personal review of this project on my next issue of MasterMind Explorer ( http://www.masternewmedia.org/ )at the end of this month.

Keep it up!

from sunny Roma
Giggi

Some paranoias may argue that maybe a common statement is senseful because of more control systems on the internet or the danger of shutting down some providers or force them to pull down some "controversial" content.

I don't see this danger so far.
But i still like the idea of a symbolic "movement" and everyone could continue with their own projects.

Thanks also for the latest sources. However i couldn't find any new "spectacular news" there, but many details, GZ also covered so far.
I'm not so much in Thule- or Illuminati-influenced theories, but at least these represantatives used some of the same sources as we did.

So thanks again for that information.

http://www.arabnews.com/Category.asp?Ct=7 :

"..The apparent attempt by a passenger to blow up a US airliner in mid-Atlantic, on its flight between Paris and Miami, has added to the muddle and confusion into which the entire international air transport industry and its millions of passengers have been plunged.."

http://www.arena.org.nz/ :

"..In this country, veiled propaganda will play its usual leading role. As so much of the Anglo-American media is in the hands of various guardians of approved truths, the fate of both the Iraqi and Somali peoples will be reported and debated on the strict premise that the US and British governments are against terrorism..."

http://www.aztlan.net/bintape.htm :

"..Compare Osama in the Al Jazeera videotape (Left)
with Osama in the recently released CIA videotape! (Right)..

http://www.bilderberg.org/boneswar.htm :

"..the American Government is waging a covert war of terror against the free democratic world. "US foreign policy can be defined as follows: 'Kiss my arse or I'll kick your head in.'" Harold Pinter "

http://www.copvcia.com :

"..1,000 turn out to hear Mike Ruppert reveal "Truth and Lies About September 11th" and the American Empire's war against the world and the American people at Portland State University.
..12/18/01 -- FOR PAID SUBSCRIBERS ONLY The Background Is Oil. For many it is difficult to accept the truth about the events of September 11th without seeing the context of an unavoidable global crisis that cannot be postponed or evaded"

http://www.corpwatch.org/ :

"..Government spy agencies seek new ways to monitor the Internet. Civil libertarians worry about privacy while software companies stand to make billions..."

http://www.debka.com/body_index.html :

"..While the Tora Bora campaign to flush out al Qaeda is ostensibly over, it is now evident that most of the clashes were delaying tactics by al Qaeda to cover the escape of its main body east into Pakistan and north up into the Hindu Kush mountains..."

http://www.drudgereport.com /
http://www.japantoday.com/e/?content=news&cat=8&id=187769 :

"...U.S. removing al Qaeda fingers for DNA analysis..."

http://www.eff.org/Legal/active_legal.html :

"..EFF has joined the over 150 members of the In Defense of Freedom coalition to oppose the broad new laws proposed after the September 11, 2001, attack. The EFF is concerned that these laws are being rushed through congress without significant debate and would make dramatic, permanent changes in the balance of our freedoms.."

http://www.emperors-clothes.com/ :

"..We also recommend reading 'Gaping Holes in the 'CIA vs. bin Laden' Story' which documents the charge that bin Laden has been a CIA asset..."

http://www.eyespymag.com/ :

"..President Bush fears that Osama bin-Laden may make one last appearance on the satellite station al-Jazeera - bragging about a spectacular operation... or a forthcoming outrage. Intelligence sources say any new appearance on television could damage US resolve.."

http://forums.delphiforums.com/ground_zero2001/
http://forums.delphiforums.com/n/mb/message.asp?webtag=ground_zero2001&msg=621.1 :

"..If the ignorance and hipocrisy in the world is still rising,
then the world has also deserve the next level.."

http://www.freespeech.org/ :

"..We will talk with Janine Jackson of FAIR (Fairness and Accuracy in Reporting) on the media debate over Miltary tribunals.."

http://www.hardtruth.topcities.com/ :

"..The page you are looking for is currently unavailable.."

http://www.indymedia.org :

"..Israeli military blocks Christmas procession.."

http://www.intelligenceonline.com/ :

"..Moment of Truth Coming for European Defense Force.."

"..Journalists must be alert to new national security concerns being used as an excuse to cut off access to previously public information, says the Council of Presidents, a coalition of journalism organizations. IRE signed onto the COP statement at the recent APME convention..."

http://www.joelskousen.com/ :

"..Did you know? The Russians are building tremendous new nuclear/biological and chemical weapons systems--all with the assistance of US technology transfers.."

http://www.masternewmedia.com/ :

"..Confuse people long enough (about 25 seconds for the average TV viewer) - and they will click channels, tune into less arduous distractions, and reset their brains to "snooz" control..."

http://www.proparanoid.com/enter.htm :

"..Remember your sworn oath to defend and uphold the Constitution. Do not follow orders blindly without question when there is evidence your leaders are corrupt or those orders are in violation of law, covering up crimes by government, or abusing the rights of fellow citizens.."

http://www.public-action.com/:

"..In war time, symbolism is of paramount importance. No national wartime leader would be caught wearing the regalia of the enemy.."

http://www.rense.com/general18/face.htm :

"..I ran the Osama photo through a photo enhancing program, took out the shadow, enhanced tones, and focused.
It is clear we see a much broader nose on the left figure, and fuller, if not altogether different facial charcteristics.."

http://www.saag.org/papers4/paper383.html :

"..Direct military action against a State-sponsor of terrorism waging a proxy war against us by using terrorism through surrogates as a low-cost weapon without the direct involvement of its Armed Forces would be counter-productive and messy.."

http://www.skolnicksreport.com/ootar5.html :

"..We were the first, earlier in this series, to mention that the Bush White House flatly refused to freeze up accounts of so-called "terrorists" such as Osama bin Laden in ABN-AMRO, the Dutch bank octopus, operating in 15 major U.S. cities, including Chicago. Why? Simply put, because the secret accounts implicated the Bush Family jointly with the so-called "terrorists"

http://www.spiescafe.com/ :

"..our greetings go out to the British, and American troops, in Afghanistan, and around the world, keeping religious zealots, of all flavors apart. We may, and do, criticize the bigots in power, who cause all these confrontations, usually for personal gain. But without the sacrifice of home comforts, by these troops in the field, we would live in a very dangerous world.."

http://www.sweetliberty.org/issues/war/ :

"..America's New War? Or War On Americans?.."

http://www.whatareweswallowing.com/ :

"..Freedom of speech, accountable government and a citizen's right to openly ask awkward, even painful questions of the establishment is part of what makes and keeps a country great..."

http://www.whatreallyhappened.com/ :

"..Okay, the "Fresh-from-Fort-Detrick" Anthrax didn't scare them into being slaves, let's try a nuke..."

http://www.wsws.org/ :

"..reports include the prediction, made in July, that “if the military action went ahead, it would take place before the snows started falling in Afghanistan, by the middle of October at the latest...”

(GZ need not to agree with every content of the links)

Some dead links are in text only -
like this http://www.somewhere.net/anywhere/

Most recent goodlinks

Controversial Goodlink!

Britain is and always will be the most accepting and tolerant nation on earth don't let these pathetic politicians spoil it for their self centred gain and power they seek! http://www.silentmajority.co.uk/

The Complete Avengers - No killing women, no blood, no hand guns for Steed, no police: http://www.davidksmith.com/avengers/

Ethical Hackers EHAP is a non-profit corporation formed to actively seek out and stop the exploitation of children on the Internet http://www.ehap.org

Attack on Corporate Identities http://www.nologo.org

Campaigning against the Elites http://www.abjpress.com

Campaign against Paedophilia http://www.capuk.freeserve.co.uk/index.htm

Committee on monetary reform http://www.comer.org/

AutoBuyology: Survival Tricks To Avoid the Great American Car Deal Wreck http://www.autobuyology.org

The Exodus Collective http://www.exodus.sos.freeuk.com

Fox TV anti-censorship court case http://www.foxBGHsuit.com/

The Prisoner Appreciation Society http://www.theprisonerappreciationsociety.com/

Clough Williams-Ellis built Portmeirion from 1925 to 1975 on his own private peninsula on the coast of Snowdonia in Wales. He wanted to show that 'the development of a naturally beautiful site need not lead to its defilement'. His lifelong concern was with Architecture, Landscape Design, the protection of Rural Wales and Conservation generally, and he strove at Portmeirion to give his ideas physical expression. He fought for Beauty - "that strange necessity". Portmeirion is owned by a Registered Charity called The Second Portmeirion Foundation. All the cottages in the village are let as part of the Portmeirion Hotel and the village also has several shops and restaurants and is surrounded by the Gwyllt sub-tropical gardens and woodlands and miles of sandy beaches.http://www.portmeirion-village.com/main.english.htm

The powerful influence of Video News Releases http://users.actweb.net/~eye/corporate_news.htm

The Primary Objective of Project Censored is to explore and publicize the extent of censorship in our society http://www.projectcensored.org

Presswise Trust - helping victims of the UK press http://www.presswise.org.uk/

Anonymous pilot's chat zone - The Professional Pilots Rumour Network (PPRuNe) is a website dedicated to professional pilots and those who are considering a career as a pilot. http://www.pprune.org/pub/fun/funindex.html

Microflies - Mechanical insects ready to spy on you! http://www.sciam.com/1999/0499issue/0499techbus3.html

UK Indymedia centre http://uk.indymedia.org/

SPUC was launched in 1967 to campaign against the Abortion Act. As the first "right to life" lobbying and educational organisation established anywhere in the world, the Society defends the human rights of the child in the womb. We also campaign against other threats to the right to live: especially euthanasia and human embryo experimentation. We promote the welfare of unborn children and expectant mothers, and we challenge the promotion of abortion as a means of population control - especially in China and the developing world. http://www.spuc.org.uk/

Paris May 1968 graffiti http://www.slip.net/~knabb/CF/graffiti.htm

Talk on Holocaust Revisionism http://www2.prestel.co.uk/littleton/w2holrev.htm

Top 100 messianic Jewish websites http://www.messianic.com/top/

Masonic symbolism - some good reference info http://mercury.spaceports.com/~persewen/logos_index.htm

Why global government is wrong http://web.inter.nl.net/users/Paul.Treanor/worldgov.html

Namebase - check out connections of 'top' people! http://www.namebase.org/

Why Waco - documentation & commentary on Waco fiasco http://home.maine.rr.com/waco/ww.html

Nerve Gas primer - organophosphate=nerve gas=pesticide, we are being poisoned! http://www.opcw.nl/chemhaz/nerve.htm

Stop the RIP Bill http://www.stand.org.uk/

Some sensible stuff on the Illuminati http://members.tripod.com/~RobertGillette/Illuminati.html

Electronic Frontier Foundation web freedom http://www.eff.org/

RIP Bill - Gestapo Bill http://www.stand.org.uk/

Get your teeth into these UK Green Activism pages http://verdant.cjb.net/

Anti-Terrorism bill - Find out if you are a terrorist http://www.new-labour.com/

Conrado, interesting personal site http://www.conrado.net/

Anti-Illuminati page from Sweden http://www7.tripnet.se/~esa/home/

Same site - English Index http://www7.tripnet.se/~esa/home/eng/sections/contents.html

(GZ need not to agree with every content of these pages)

Good Geezers anti scientology page http://www.cs.cmu.edu/~dst/

Useful on all privacy/Intelligence stuff http://www.securitysearch.net/

Who's who in renewable energy http://www.serve.com/commonpurpose/contacts.html

Pesticides Action Network http://www.pan-uk.org/

Truthseekers Magazine, from Devizes, Wiltshire http://www.truthseekers.freeserve.co.uk/

All Conspiracy, No Theory http://www.steamshovelpress.com

Jello Biafra's site http://www.alternativetentacles.com/

The RIP Bill - Greennet's reply to the Gestapo Bill http://www.gn.apc.org/activities/ir/rip-first.html

A cloud of dust on the horizon doesn't have to mean the Indians are attacking. But woe betide the watchman who waits until arrows whistle overhead before alerting the sleeping camp... http://www.poroti.freeservers.com

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Sources of more balanced News and Information
ALTERNATIVE NEWS
NEWS http://www.alternet.org
NEWS http://www.centrexnews.com
NEWS http://www.link.no/IPS/eng/last.html
NEWSLINKS http://www.truthinmedia.org/news.html
MP3 based site http://www.radio4all.net/

Not all that alternative but not bad http://www.newsmax.com/uk/

Pre second coming news of relevance http://www.messianic.com/

Netizens for spin-free news http://www.centrexnews.com/

The conformist news wire http://www.konformist.com/

The Propaganda Index http://users.actweb.net/~eye/propaganda.html

Renegade news list http://fornits.com/renegade/

Project censored email list http://www.projectcensored.org/list.htm

UK Indymedia centre http://uk.indymedia.org/

Freezerbox is dedicated to the belief that an active, informed citizenry is crucial to the stabilization of spaceship Earth, which right now--judging from the state of the environment and extreme global inequality--is not on a sustainable, just path. Not even close. http://www.freezerbox.com/

We Hold These Truths - erosion of freedom exposed day-to-day http://www.whtt.org/

Slightly Alternative - not very http://www.ananova.com

Earth Changes news http://www.earthchangestv.com/breaking/

Action for solidarity UK news http://www.actionforsolidarity.org.uk/

European News - very good http://www.einmedia.com/briefs

New Internationalist - Brilliant Mag. http://www.oneworld.org/ni/

Scallywag Magazine http://www.scallywag.org/

Scandals In Justice magazine http://www.scandals.org

High traffic but good intl news list STOPNATO-subscribe@listbot.com

The Global Arms network and alternative news about it http://www.indg.org/do.htm

Reachout Trust - anti-Cult http://www.reachouttrust.org/regulars/news/headlines.htm

(GZ need not to agree with every content of these links)

Future events http://www.hubcom.com/fens/

Amazing Christian News Service http://www.cuttingedge.org/news/headline.html

World Net Daily http://www.worldnetdaily.com/

Squall - Alt. news now downloadable in acrobat format! http://www.squall.co.uk/

The global best alternative news http://www.ips.org/

Sightings - consistant http://www.sightings.com/

Leftlinks includes plenty of news pages http://leftlinks.tripod.com/index.html

Alternative news from the US - good site - http://www.motherjones.com

INFOWARS http://www.infowars.com/

Consortiumnews.com was founded in 1995 as a home for investigative journalism. We have produced more than 200 original stories on topics ranging from national security to the environment, from politics to foreign affairs http://www.consortiumnews.com

Kennedy Assassination News http://www.webcom.com/ctka/pr-main.html

New Dawn - http://www.newdawnmagazine.com

Nexus - http://www.nexusmagazine.com

Exposure - http://www.exposuremagazine.com

Urban 75 good UK based street info. http://www.urban75.com/Action/news.html

Alternative Kosovo news http://members.xoom.com/_XOOM/jurcevic_z/

Stop NATO aggression on Yugoslavia campaign - copy their imagelink to your site http://www.alert.org.yu/stopnato.html

Yugoslav info service http://www.yu/

More alternative war reporting http://www.cs.msu.su/war.html

Independent journalism on Kosovo http://www.b92.net

War analysis from Z magazine http://www.lbbs.org/Zmag/kosovo.htm

The real reason for the war? - sealing the resources of the region http://teaminfinity.com/~ralph/trepca/

Pictures of Adolf Clinton http://members.xoom.com/adolfclinton/

Stop NATO aggression on Yugoslavia campaign - copy their imagelink to your site http://www.alert.org.yu/stopnato.html

The NATO charter, which they have now broken by attacking Kosovo and Serbia http://www.nato.int/docu/basictxt/treaty.htm

The real news - Free Press International http://www.realtime.net/~dream/wfp.html

a-infos - Not so highly reccommended since Illan Shalif has started refusing to distribute my info! http://www.ainfos.ca/en/

Association of Alternative News Weeklies http://aan.org/

Third Position News- some interesting views - but beware the bigotry http://3rd.org/fcarchive.html

Alternative Radio http://www.freespeech.org/alternativeradio/

Arm The Spirit http://burn.ucsd.edu/~ats/

To find any newsgroup posting in any category http://www.dejanews.com/

LIP Magazine Archive http://www.NETural.com/lip/filehome.html

http://www.buzzflash.com/
http://www.bartcop.com/
http://www.democraticunderground.com/
http://www.willpitt.com

Now at:
http://www.petitiononline.com/11601TFS/petition.html
To: The U.S. Senate
Petition to the Senate to Investigate Oddities
Involving 9/11 Terrorist Attacks

Sign the petition:
http://www.petitiononline.com/11601TFS/petition-sign.html

View current signatures:
http://www.petitiononline.com/mod_perl/signed.cgi?11601TFS

Please read also:
"911-The other story"
http://forums.delphiforums.com/n/mb/message.asp?webtag=ground_zero2001&msg=630.1

Odd 911 WORLD TRADE CENTER & AIR DEFENSE ISSUES

Lori R. Price, who started the "911 investigation petition",
which is only a few days old and has almost 1000 sigs yet.

She can be find at:
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/TheFalloutShelter

http://www.petitiononline.com/11601TFS/petition.html
http://www.tetrahedron.org/articles/anthrax/anthrax_espionage.html
http://computerbytesman.com/anthrax/conspiracy.htm
http://plaza.powersurfr.com/freedomfiles/war/war.htm
http://11september.netfirms.com/
http://www.flight93crash.com
http://www.infowars.com/HR_3162.html
http://www.jimhightower.com/air/
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/sept11info
http://www.michaelmoore.com
http://www.bushnews.com/attack.htm
http://www.larouchepub.com
http://www.MyCountryRightOrWrong.net
http://www.smirkingchimp.com/
http://www.monitor.net/monitor/0201a/default.html
http://www.counterpunch.org
http://www.keystonereport.com/
http://www.communitycurrency.org/9-11.html
http://makethemaccountable.com

http://www.guerrillanews.com won price at Sundance

Please look at:
http://forums.delphiforums.com/n/mb/message.asp?webtag=ground_zero2001&msg=687.1

PS: Ground Zero-Forum will perform a lecture tonight at a gallery in East Village. This event will be supported with electronic music and recorded with video. The lecture will include
"911-the Ultimate Chronology 1962-2002" at
http://forums.delphiforums.com/n/mb/message.asp?webtag=ground_zero2001&msg=630.1

More News about that soon.

http://www.patriotsaints.com/News/911/Conspiracy/
http://www.publiceye.org/
http://www.cypherwar.com